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	<title>Comments on: How Google Failed to Hide Supplemental Results</title>
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		<title>By: Halfdeck</title>
		<link>http://seo4fun.com/blog/2007/08/01/how-google-failed-to-hide-supplemental-results.html#comment-15866</link>
		<dc:creator>Halfdeck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 04:31:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey John,

405 means timeout (server for one reason or another is too slow to respond).

For example, this url gives an error:

http://www.missionbibles.com/bible/category/

Look at the TITLE: "Error 404"

HTTP Header check returns a 404. You need to fix that.

To see what internal URLs are linking to it, go to View &gt; Filters &gt; Link Sources

The urls aren't meant to come out color coded. I'm gettin' ready to publish a how to on the tool, so hang on :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey John,</p>
<p>405 means timeout (server for one reason or another is too slow to respond).</p>
<p>For example, this url gives an error:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.missionbibles.com/bible/category/" rel="nofollow">http://www.missionbibles.com/bible/category/</a></p>
<p>Look at the TITLE: &#8220;Error 404&#8243;</p>
<p>HTTP Header check returns a 404. You need to fix that.</p>
<p>To see what internal URLs are linking to it, go to View > Filters > Link Sources</p>
<p>The urls aren&#8217;t meant to come out color coded. I&#8217;m gettin&#8217; ready to publish a how to on the tool, so hang on :)</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://seo4fun.com/blog/2007/08/01/how-google-failed-to-hide-supplemental-results.html#comment-15865</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 03:54:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Halfdeck I always enjoy your take and the tool is looking great. I have a couple of questions to email you though.

I have it installed but the URLs aren't coming out color coded and 60% are showing a status 405. I ran it on the site shown on my link here.

Thanks Again,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Halfdeck I always enjoy your take and the tool is looking great. I have a couple of questions to email you though.</p>
<p>I have it installed but the URLs aren&#8217;t coming out color coded and 60% are showing a status 405. I ran it on the site shown on my link here.</p>
<p>Thanks Again,</p>
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		<title>By: Vinayak</title>
		<link>http://seo4fun.com/blog/2007/08/01/how-google-failed-to-hide-supplemental-results.html#comment-15864</link>
		<dc:creator>Vinayak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 18:39:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was amazed today although i didn’t talk to my webmaster yet but what i saw that my site was out of supplemental and not only mine but others also. I just got amazed as what is the reason. So i searched over net and finally got result that they have removed that sup. res. from google.
Now how will i know which page google is reading and which not??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was amazed today although i didn’t talk to my webmaster yet but what i saw that my site was out of supplemental and not only mine but others also. I just got amazed as what is the reason. So i searched over net and finally got result that they have removed that sup. res. from google.<br />
Now how will i know which page google is reading and which not??</p>
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		<title>By: Halfdeck</title>
		<link>http://seo4fun.com/blog/2007/08/01/how-google-failed-to-hide-supplemental-results.html#comment-15856</link>
		<dc:creator>Halfdeck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 15:02:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Christoph,

I'm glad you like it.

Not much else to say so here's a random thought:

Some SEO consultants are apparently glad they don't have to worry about clients wanting them to solve supplemental issues anymore. Why? Unlike dealing with ranking penalties and such, supplemental results are something you have some control over. It takes 3 days or less to turn a supplemental result into a "main index result." That's much easier to do than getting rid of a -X penalty.

Mike Grehan's school of online marketing (SEO = dead, traffic = good marketing) is churning out some SEOs who seems to either have an aversion to anything technical or don't understand that building a good product comes before marketing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Christoph,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad you like it.</p>
<p>Not much else to say so here&#8217;s a random thought:</p>
<p>Some SEO consultants are apparently glad they don&#8217;t have to worry about clients wanting them to solve supplemental issues anymore. Why? Unlike dealing with ranking penalties and such, supplemental results are something you have some control over. It takes 3 days or less to turn a supplemental result into a &#8220;main index result.&#8221; That&#8217;s much easier to do than getting rid of a -X penalty.</p>
<p>Mike Grehan&#8217;s school of online marketing (SEO = dead, traffic = good marketing) is churning out some SEOs who seems to either have an aversion to anything technical or don&#8217;t understand that building a good product comes before marketing.</p>
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		<title>By: Christoph C. Cemper</title>
		<link>http://seo4fun.com/blog/2007/08/01/how-google-failed-to-hide-supplemental-results.html#comment-15850</link>
		<dc:creator>Christoph C. Cemper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Aug 2007 14:57:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Halfdeck, thanks a lot for this post and other insightful posts on the topic... been playing with your "pagerank simulator" and it REALLY rocks to simulate what another PR6 links would/could do to my site... obivously it misses all the aspects of "topical pagerank", but that's not what it was built for - and it already IS a pretty cool app.

all the best
christoph c. cemper</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Halfdeck, thanks a lot for this post and other insightful posts on the topic&#8230; been playing with your &#8220;pagerank simulator&#8221; and it REALLY rocks to simulate what another PR6 links would/could do to my site&#8230; obivously it misses all the aspects of &#8220;topical pagerank&#8221;, but that&#8217;s not what it was built for - and it already IS a pretty cool app.</p>
<p>all the best<br />
christoph c. cemper</p>
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		<title>By: Halfdeck</title>
		<link>http://seo4fun.com/blog/2007/08/01/how-google-failed-to-hide-supplemental-results.html#comment-15847</link>
		<dc:creator>Halfdeck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Aug 2007 12:08:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, thanks for the feedback Richard.

Regarding the old PageRank numbers - mousing over the graphics bar displays an approximation of the numbers used. The thing is I switched over from the original PageRank algorithm, where the total domain PageRank added up to the total number of pages (e.g. a 100 page site would have a max total PageRank of 100) to a modified algorithm Michael Martinez mentioned, where all webpages' PageRanks add up to one. So the numbers you see are way smaller than what you used to see in the PHP version.

I agree Googlers don't like seeing SEOs and webmasters fixate on twinkering with stuff like numbers of links per page instead of focusing on what really matters most: Building a good website. But its kinda like playing good music: you can't just have passion and a good score - if you can't nail the technical stuff (playing notes in the right pitch, playing in rhythm) then it won't sound like music. Optimizing a site for supplemental results isn't like buying links or cloaking - as long as it doesn't take up 90% of a webmasters' time I don't see any harm in it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, thanks for the feedback Richard.</p>
<p>Regarding the old PageRank numbers - mousing over the graphics bar displays an approximation of the numbers used. The thing is I switched over from the original PageRank algorithm, where the total domain PageRank added up to the total number of pages (e.g. a 100 page site would have a max total PageRank of 100) to a modified algorithm Michael Martinez mentioned, where all webpages&#8217; PageRanks add up to one. So the numbers you see are way smaller than what you used to see in the PHP version.</p>
<p>I agree Googlers don&#8217;t like seeing SEOs and webmasters fixate on twinkering with stuff like numbers of links per page instead of focusing on what really matters most: Building a good website. But its kinda like playing good music: you can&#8217;t just have passion and a good score - if you can&#8217;t nail the technical stuff (playing notes in the right pitch, playing in rhythm) then it won&#8217;t sound like music. Optimizing a site for supplemental results isn&#8217;t like buying links or cloaking - as long as it doesn&#8217;t take up 90% of a webmasters&#8217; time I don&#8217;t see any harm in it.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Hearne</title>
		<link>http://seo4fun.com/blog/2007/08/01/how-google-failed-to-hide-supplemental-results.html#comment-15846</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Hearne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Aug 2007 07:25:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For as long as they leave the hack there....

My feeling is that they [Google] would rather have less tinkering around by webmasters, seo's etc. Unortunately with Google's growth comes the corresponding additional competition to get on top and the rewards that brings.

I like the tool Half - only thing I sorta like from the PHP version was numeric values for PR. I find the bar images less useful actually. But that's just me :)

Rgds
Richard</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For as long as they leave the hack there&#8230;.</p>
<p>My feeling is that they [Google] would rather have less tinkering around by webmasters, seo&#8217;s etc. Unortunately with Google&#8217;s growth comes the corresponding additional competition to get on top and the rewards that brings.</p>
<p>I like the tool Half - only thing I sorta like from the PHP version was numeric values for PR. I find the bar images less useful actually. But that&#8217;s just me :)</p>
<p>Rgds<br />
Richard</p>
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		<title>By: Halfdeck</title>
		<link>http://seo4fun.com/blog/2007/08/01/how-google-failed-to-hide-supplemental-results.html#comment-15829</link>
		<dc:creator>Halfdeck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 15:18:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Blogging about the hack happened last week, after it came out at WebmasterWorld."

The same week I pulled 200+ SEO blog feeds from Google Reader so I can actually get some work done... go figure. The hack still shows pages that used to be labeled supplemental, so I disagree. It does help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Blogging about the hack happened last week, after it came out at WebmasterWorld.&#8221;</p>
<p>The same week I pulled 200+ SEO blog feeds from Google Reader so I can actually get some work done&#8230; go figure. The hack still shows pages that used to be labeled supplemental, so I disagree. It does help.</p>
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		<title>By: Danny Sullivan</title>
		<link>http://seo4fun.com/blog/2007/08/01/how-google-failed-to-hide-supplemental-results.html#comment-15827</link>
		<dc:creator>Danny Sullivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 09:02:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blogging about the hack happened last week, after it came out at WebmasterWorld. Fair to say, Google has known about it. More to the point, the hack doesn't help if they take away the supplemental label.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blogging about the hack happened last week, after it came out at WebmasterWorld. Fair to say, Google has known about it. More to the point, the hack doesn&#8217;t help if they take away the supplemental label.</p>
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